Meetings and Agendas
MINUTES
PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION
FEBRUARY 19, 2008
TABLE OF CONTENTS PAGE NO.
PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION
Announcements/Comments
Under Old Business
Under New Business
222 N. Highway 67
Dierberg's Page 2-6
111 Flower Valley S/C
Sundome Tanning Salon Page 6-1011 Flower Valley S/C
ATM Page 10-11468, 470 & 472 Howdershell
Pirates Cove Bar & Grill Page 11-12424 Howdershell
Valvoline Instant Oil Change Page 12-138453 N. Lindbergh
Sonic Page 13-16Miscellaneous Business
Meeting Location Page 16-17
PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION
The Planning and Zoning Commission of the City of Florissant met at the Florissant City Hall, on Tuesday, February 19, 2007 at 7:00 p.m., with Jim Ross presiding.
On roll call the following members were present: Jim Ross, Dick Weller, Daniel Call and Jane Boyle. Also present was Deborah Carter, Court Reporter and John Morgan, Building Director.
A quorum being present the Chair declared the Planning and Zoning Commission was in session for the transaction of business.
Jim Ross stated that the next order of business would be approval of the minutes for January 7, 2008. Jim Ross made a motion to approve the minutes as written. Seconded by Daniel Call. All parties concur. Motion carried.NEW BUSINESS:
Item 1 222 North Highway 67
PZ021908-1 Dierberg's
APPROVED - Ward 6
Request Approval of Two New Out
Buildings Located in Dierberg's
Center. Zoned B-3.The Chair stated Item Number One on the Agenda, Dierberg's, located at 222 North Highway 67. Request approval of two new out buildings located in Dierberg's Center. Zoned B-3.
Mark Martin of Dierberg's, Marty Hanson, Civil Engineer, Terry Dowdy, Architect and Randy Morris, Landscape Architect, appeared before the Commission requesting approval for two out-lots at the existing center.
Mr. Martin advised the Commission that he had received and read Staff's Recommendations and would be more than willing to comply with the following:(1) Landscaping shall be in accordance with the drawings submitted and marked at CL-1, dated January 17, 2008.
Mr. Martin stated that there were no modifications to the drawings.
(2) The building is to be constructed of clay-fired brick, except the sign band which may be constructed of EIFS as depicted on the drawings dated January 18, 2008.
Mr. Martin stated that there were no modifications to the drawings.
Mr. Dowdy stated that the sample materials will consist of an accent and field brick, both clay-fired. The lighter brick represents the field brick and the darker contrast represents the accent. Three out of all four sides of the building will be all brick. The front of the building will be a store front with EIFS and brick panels. The EIFS will be located on the sign bands only. The parapet walls have been extended to ensure that all mechanical equipment is screened.(3) That the new building be located as shown on the Site Plan marked 1 of 2, dated January 17, 2008.
Mr. Hanson stated that the two new buildings are labeled C and D on the Site Plan. Building C is 4800 square feet and Building C is approximately 5600 square feet. Building B will be constructed to replace the current building, in Phase II of the project. Quizno's now occupies the existing building and at such time as that lease can be modified, Building B will be construction. Buildings C and D will be constructed within the existing parking bays. Construction will begin upon approval. The entire front parking lot will be sealed and re-striped to accomplish all required parking spaces, with (7) excess spaces. There will be a loading and unloading zone for each building.
(5) Trash enclosures shall be constructed of clay-fired brick to match the new buildings. There shall be solid reinforced metal or vinyl gates on the trash enclosures.
Mr. Martin stated that a red clay-fired brick fully enclosed dumpster will be constructed for each building, with structural steel and vinyl gates.
Jim Ross asked the Petitioner if Quizno's would remain after construction? Mr. Martin stated that Quizno's would remain until such time as their lease can be renegotiated. Mr. Ross asked if there were any tenants for Buildings C and D? Mr. Martin stated that Clarkson Eye Care would occupy a portion of Building C. Mr. Ross asked for the dimensions between Building D and the existing building? Mr. Dowdy stated that while there is not a lot of space, they would not overlap and that Building D would not be constructed until they were ready to tear down the building occupied by Quizno's.
Daniel Call asked the Petitioner if Quizno's currently occupied 5400 square feet? Mr. Martin stated that they did not. Mr. Call asked if both buildings would be subdivided? Mr. Martin stated that they would be. Mr. Call asked if the buildings would be constructed of masonry rather than tilt-up? Mr. Martin stated that that was correct.
Jane Boyle asked the Petitioner where the existing sign on Lindbergh was located? Mr. Dowdy stated that it was adjacent to the Lindbergh right-of-way, or somewhat in the middle of the two buildings. Ms. Boyle asked if the sign would be modified? Mr. Martin stated that it would not be.
Ms. Boyle asked if the only entrance from North Lindbergh would be from the south? Mr. Martin stated that that was correct. Ms. Boyle questioned whether the one entrance would be a problem with the addition of more retail? Mr. Hanson stated that the two additional entrances on Lindbergh would remain.
Ms. Boyle asked the Petitioner if there would be a window located on the north elevation of the buildings? Mr. Martin stated that there would be a window located on the front corner of each building.
With the back of each building being visible to patrons exiting Dierberg's, Ms. Boyle questioned whether there would be enough screening provided through landscaping? Mr. Morris stated that they would be utilizing the same type of shade trees that currently exist at the center, with two new islands located between the store and the back of the new buildings.
Ms. Boyle asked if the islands would impact the loading and unloading zoning? Mr. Morris stated that there would be a separate drive lane for loading and unloading, which is located far enough away from the trees to avoid any impact. Low planting beds will be used for the rear of the buildings as well.
Dick Weller asked Mr. Morgan if the City's Ordinance required a specific dimension for the trees? Mr. Morgan stated that a 2 inch caliber trunk base was required. Mr. Weller asked the Petitioner if the planting areas would be irrigated? Mr. Martin stated that they would be.
Mr. Weller asked if the light standard located by Building C, would be removed? Mr. Hanson stated that it would be removed and replaced with light packs on the buildings, as well as lighting from the canopy soffits located over each door of the building. Mr. Weller asked if this would produce enough lighting for the driveway located on the side of the building that faces the car dealer? Mr. Hanson stated that since they had not completed a lighting study this may be an area where additional lighting is necessary. Mr. Martin stated that currently they are using 90 degree cut-off wall-mounted packs on the sides of the building and decorative lights in front of each building. However, should this prove to be insufficient the Petitioner is amenable to adding additional light packs or perhaps, installing another light pole.
Mr. Weller asked Mr. Morgan if cart racks were included in the parking calculations? Mr. Morgan stated that the City counts every single parking space based on the Site Plan. Mr. Weller asked if there would be (24) less spaces because of the cart racks? Mr. Martin stated that there would be.
Mr. Weller asked the Petitioner if signage would only be located on the front and back of the buildings? Mr. Martin stated that that was correct.
Mr. Weller stated that his family has shopped at Dierberg's for twenty-five years, however since the closure of their Clocktower store parking at this location has become extremely congested. So his hope is that if Dierberg's is going to build more buildings on this lot that they have given ample consideration
to the impact that it may have on their grocery business. Mr. Martin stated that they had addressed this issue with store director, who in his experience felt that this portion of the lot was the most under-used. He stated that their intent is to encourage employees to park on the lots by Washington and the rear of the store.
Daniel Call asked the Petitioner if it was also their intent to conduct a lighting analysis? Mr. Martin stated that it was. Mr. Call asked if there would be any objection to a stipulation that the a lighting survey be conducted for both buildings, with the results provided to the Building Commissioner for his review and approval. Mr. Martin stated that he had no problems with the stipulation.
Jim Ross asked if there were any further questions or comments to the Petitioner? Being no further questions or comments, Jim Ross made a motion to approve two new outlots at the Dierberg's Center located at 222 North Highway 67, with the following stipulations: that the landscaping be in accordance with drawing L-1, dated January 17, 2008; that the buildings be constructed of clay-fired brick, with the exception of the sign band, which may be constructed of EIFS as depicted on the drawings dated January 18, 2008; that the new buildings be shown as located on the Site Plan marked Sheet 1 of 2, dated January 17, 2008; that all mechanical equipment be screened in accordance with the Florissant landscaping and screening requirements; that the trash enclosures be constructed of clay-fire brick to match the new buildings and solid reinforced metal or vinyl gates and that the Petitioner conduct a lighting survey on the buildings with the results reported to the Building Commissioner for his review and approval. Seconded by Daniel Call.
Dick Weller inquired whether the Petitioner would be restricted to these plans regardless of the outcome with respect to Quizno's? Mr. Ross stated that that was correct. On roll call the Commission voted: Ross yes, Weller yes, Call yes and Boyle yes. Motion carried.Item 2 111 Flower Valley S/C
PZ021908-2 Sundome Tanning Salon
RECOMMENDED APPROVAL - Ward 9
Request Approval of a Special Use
Permit to Allow for a Tanning
Salon. Zoned B-3.The Chair stated Item Number Two on the Agenda, Sundome Tanning Salon located at 111 Flower Valley Shopping Center. Request approval of a Special Use Permit to allow for a tanning salon. Zoned B-3.
James and Cynthia Birly appeared before the Commission.
Cynthia Birly stated that they were willing to comply with all of Florissant's requirements and would make any changes necessary. She stated that their plans would have to be modified because the owner of the building has been required to make the bathroom ADA accessible. The salon consists of (8) rooms with (7) beds and the new plans will be submitted upon completion of the bathroom.
Jim Ross asked the Petitioner if the plans before the Commission were incorrect? James Birly stated that the new plans would be similar to the ones before the Commission, with the exception of the bathroom which will have to be enlarged. Mr. Ross stated that he was not comfortable with making a recommendation without the revised plans. Cynthia Birly stated that at the time they had prepared the original plans they had no idea that the bathroom did not meet Code requirements.
Seth Schlger, supplier of the equipment, appeared before the Commission and informed them there would only be one change to a wall and that any delay in this matter would literally put the Petitioner's out of business, since there is a limited season for tanning.
John Morgan informed the Petitioner that even if this Commission made a recommendation tonight it would be three weeks before the Petition would come before City Council.
Cynthia Birly stated that the drawings would be complete by the time they appeared before Council.
Mr. Schlger asked Mr. Ross for the function of the Commission as it relates to an existing building where the Petitioner's are simply going to occupy a suite? Mr. Ross stated that personally, he would want to know exactly what structural modifications were going to be made inside of the building. Mr. Schlger asked what impact this Commission's decision would have on their ability to proceed to Council? Mr. Ross stated that he would let the remaining members speak to the matter before making a final decision.
Daniel Call asked the Petitioner if the Rejuveson and 548(v) were different types of tanning beds? Mr. Schlger stated they were. Mr. Call asked how the Rejuveson differed from the Sun Star 332? Mr. Schlger stated that the (332) had regular tanning bulbs, where the Rejuveson has a 4 inch by 4 inch square in the facial area to rejuvenate the skin and increase collagen production, as well as provide tanning.
Mr. Call asked for an explanation of the bathroom modifications? Mr. Schlger stated that the 2 foot, 1 inch area originally designated for a storage area is being eliminated. He stated that the 548(v) tanning bed only requires a 6 X 6 foot room, so the 9 foot length is going to be switched to 6 feet to accommodate the room needed to enlarge the bathroom. Mr. Call asked if the bathroom would be enlarged approximately 5 feet, 1 inch? Mr. Schlger stated that it would be if necessary, but wherever the bathroom ends, is where the Sundome room will start. He stated that the wall was simply being moved inward to comply with ADA requirements.
Mr. Call stated that based on that explanation, he personally would have no problem with making a recommendation for approval, as long is there a stipulation that the revised drawings be submitted to the Building Commissioner prior to proceeding to City Council. Mr. Schlger asked when the drawings should be submitted? Mr. Call suggested that the details be worked out with Mr. Morgan.
Mr. Call asked the Petitioner if they were familiar with the City's rules and regulations regarding the operation of a tanning salon? James Birly stated that they were. Mr. Call asked the Petitioner if they had previously operated a tanning salon? Cynthia Birly stated that while she had not operated a business, she has frequented salons for roughly seventeen years.
Jane Boyle stated that although she is concerned with seeing the drawings, she understood the explanation provided to Commissioner Call and would be amenable to proceeding tonight with the addition of the stipulation.
Ms. Boyle asked Mr. Morgan for an explanation of the following language contained in the plans:
"This layout is provided as a courtesy and is not an architectural rendering suitable for use as plans and specifications or for securing permits of any kind".Mr. Morgan stated that the Petitioner would have to submit full construction plans with specifications, in order for the City to verify compliance with building codes. He stated that this type of plan is different than what the Commission normally reviews because it is not a zoning issue.
Dick Weller asked the Petitioner if there would be any exhaust vans in the roof? James Birly stated that the only exhaust fan would be located in the rest room. Mr. Weller asked what the initials W/D stood for on the plans? Cynthia Birly stated that it was for the washer and dryer. Mr. Weller asked the Petitioner if they were subject to St. Louis County Health Department regulations? Cynthia Birly stated that she was not aware of anything.
John Morgan advised Mr. Weller that St. Louis County had no regulations with respect to tanning salons.
Dick Weller asked the Petitioner if the building was wired adequately to operate this type of equipment? James Birly stated that the building was being updated or rewired to 400 amps. Mr. Weller asked for the watt load for the use of a Sun Star 332 tanning bed? Mr. Schlger stated that the bed utilized a 30 amp breaker, a draw of 17 and voltage of 220. Cynthia Birly stated that the owner of the building would be responsible for obtaining the bid and installation of all electrical work.
Mr. Weller asked if the room partitions extended to the ceiling? Mr. Schlger stated that they would be 8 feet.
Mr. Weller informed Commissioner Ross that as long as the stipulation was in place, he was agreeable to moving forward with the petition this evening.
Jim Ross asked Mr. Morgan if he was comfortable with the proposed stipulation? Mr. Morgan stated that it was a minor change that presented no major problems.
Daniel Call asked the Petitioner if any signage was being proposed? Cynthia Birly stated that the sign would be pursuant to Florissant's regulations.
John Morgan stated that based on the space allocated there should be no problem meeting the 40 square foot requirement.
Jim Ross asked the Petitioner what business currently occupied this location? Cynthia Birly that the building was vacant.
Jim Ross asked if there were any further questions or comments to the Petitioner? Being no further questions or comments, Daniel Call made a motion to recommend approval of a Special Use Permit to allow for a tanning salon at the location of 111 Flower Valley Shopping Center; Sundome Tanning Salon, with the following stipulation: that the final architectural plans be submitted to the Building Commissioner for review and approval prior to submittal to City Council. Seconded by Dick Weller. On roll call the Commission voted: Ross yes, Weller yes, Call yes and Boyle yes. Motion carried.Item 3 11 Flower Valley S/C
PZ021908-3 ATM
APPROVED - Ward 9
Request Approval for a Drive-Thru
ATM. Zoned B-3.The Chair stated Item Number Three on the Agenda. Request approval for a drive-through AMT located at 11 Flower Valley Shopping Center.
Larry Wurm of James Engineering appeared before the Commission and stated that he was working with Midwest Credit Union on the installation of an ATM in the Flower Valley Shopping Center. He stated that the credit union has been at this location for approximately sixteen years and presently has a walk-up operation on the face of the building that they would like to replace with the installation of an ATM to better serve their customers. Mr. Wurm stated that this would be your typical prefabricated installation.
Jim Ross asked the Petitioner for the number of parking spaces that would be eliminated by this addition? Mr. Wurm stated approximately three to four. Mr. Ross asked for the stacking ratio? Mr. Wurm stated that they had allocated enough room to accommodate up to three cars, although studies show that typically there are never more than two vehicles at any given point in time.
Mr. Ross asked if there would be lighted signage pointed in a downward direction? Mr. Wurm stated there it would be.
Daniel Call asked the Petitioner if the spaces adjacent to the ATM would be used to complete the turning radius? Mr. Wurm stated that based on their turning study there is sufficient room to make a hard right without the use of those spaces.
Mr. Call stated that he spends a lot of time at the center and this area seems to be the least occupied after 6 p.m. Mr. Wurm stated that this area was also the least occupied during the day.
John Morgan concurred with both statements.
Mr. Call asked if this would be the only ATM in the shopping center? Mr. Wurm stated that it would be.
Jane Boyle asked Mr. Morgan if there was anything the Commission could do with respect to the maintenance of the shopping center? Mr. Morgan informed Ms. Boyle that the center is frequently written up by the City.
Dick Weller asked the Petitioner which ATM would be installed, the (346) or (347). Mr. Wurm stated that no definitive decision has been made at this point in time. Mr. Weller asked if the entire island would be occupied by the ATM? Mr. Wurm stated that the ATM would not impact the existing island.
Jim Ross asked the Petitioner if there were any major differences between the (346) and (347) models? Mr. Wurm stated that there was not.
Jim Ross asked if there were any further questions or comments to the Petitioner? Being no further questions or comments, Jim Ross made a motion to approve the request for a drive-through ATM located at 11 Flower Valley Shopping Center, per the plans submitted, dated November 16, 2007; Survey Number 1007-0392. Seconded by Daniel Call. On roll call the Commission voted: Ross yes, Weller yes, Call yes and Boyle yes. Motion carried.Item 4 468, 470 & 472 Howdershell
PZ021908-4 Pirates Cove Bar & Grill
RECOMMENDED APPROVAL - Ward 3
Request Approval of a Special Use
Permit to Allow for a Sit-Down,
Carry-Out Restaurant. Zoned B-3.The Chair stated Item Number Four on the Agenda, Pirates Cove Bar & Grill located at 468, 470 and 472 Howdershell. Request approval of a Special Use Permit to allow for a sit-down, carry-out restaurant. Zoned B-3.
Mack Reddick appeared before the Commission and stated that the pizza business located next door to his business had closed. Since that time he has leased the property, purchased the restaurant equipment and is now requesting approval to utilize the facility as a kitchen for his bar and grill.
Jim Ross asked the Petitioner if there would be one access door from the bar to the kitchen area? Mr. Reddick stated that there would be one Dutch door.
Dick Weller informed the Commission that he had visited the property and the only addition would be the Dutch door to gain access to both buildings.
Daniel Call asked the Petitioner if the equipment was already installed? Mr. Reddick stated that he has simply purchased it from the previous owners. Mr. Call asked if the exhaust was through the roof? Mr. Reddick stated that it was. Mr. Call asked if there would be a need to dispose of old grease? Mr. Reddick stated that there is an existing grease trap and he would contact someone to pick it up on a regular basis.
Jim Ross asked if there were any further questions or comments to the Petitioner? Being no further questions or comments, Jim Ross made a motion to recommend approval of a Special Use Permit to allow for a sit-down, carry-out restaurant; Pirates Cove Bar & Grill, located at 468, 470 and 472 Howdershell, per the plans submitted to the Commission this evening. Seconded by Dick Weller. On roll call the Commission voted: Ross yes, Weller yes, Call yes and Boyle yes. Motion carried.Item 5 424 Howdershell
PZ021908-5 Valvoline Instant Oil Change
RECOMMENDED APPROVAL - Ward 3
Request Approval of a Special Use
Permit for a Free-Standing Sign.
Zoned B-3.The Chair stated Item Number Five on the Agenda, Valvoline Instant Oil Change located at 424 Howdershell. Request approval of a Special Use Permit for a free-standing sign. Zoned B-3.
Joseph Schindler appeared before the Commission and stated that Valvoline's intent is to re-image ten to twelve of its stores in the St. Louis market. The sign at this location has a 40 foot setback requirement, which they are unable to accomplish because of its close proximity to the driveway. Mr. Schindler stated that the existing sign sits at a 22 foot setback and the Petitioner's request is to allow the sign to remain in its current location.
Jim Ross asked the Petitioner if the signage would be similar to the diagrams submitted to the Commission? Mr. Schindler stated that it would be.
John Morgan advised the Commission that this property was annexed into the City and the sign annexed in as a legal non-conforming sign. However, once the old sign it taken down the new sign would have to be in accordance with the City Code or fall under an application for Special Use.
Daniel Call asked the Petitioner if the same footing would be utilized? Mr. Schindler stated that a new foundation would have to be installed. Mr. Call asked if the sign would contain an electronic read-out? Mr. Schindler stated that they sign would have a manual reader board.
Jane Boyle asked the Petitioner if the new sign would maintain the same footprint? Mr. Schindler stated that it would.
Dick Weller asked the Petitioner if the dimensions of the new sign would be the same as the old sign? Mr. Schindler stated that the existing sign is approximately 2 inches wider than the new one. Mr. Weller asked if the existing sign had a concrete base? Mr. Schindler stated that it was a direct buried pole, as opposed to a pole on anchor bolts. However, the concrete below the surface will have to be removed. Mr. Weller stated since the concrete has to be removed, there appears to be at least 14 feet from the tip of the finger to the center of the existing pole, which would allocate approximately 8 feet for moving the sign back from the 22 inch setback without any obstruction to the driveway. Mr. Schindler stated that from a simplicity standpoint it is a lot easier to simply replace the pole by putting it in its existing foundation. He stated that the further you move the sign back, the more likely it is to be obstructed by the shopping center sign.
Jim Ross asked if there were any further questions or comments to the Petitioner? Being no further questions or comments, Jim Ross made a motion to recommend approval of a Special Use Permit for a free-standing sign at 424 Howdershell; Valvoline Instant Oil Change, per the plans submitted. Seconded by Daniel Call. On roll call the Commission voted: Ross yes, Weller yes, Call yes and Boyle yes. Motion carried.Item 6 8453 North Lindbergh
PZ021908-6 Sonic
APPROVED - Ward 3
Request Approval of Exterior
Remodel to Existing Building and
Amendment to B-5 Ordinance No. 6598.
Zoned B-5.The Chair stated Item Number Six on the Agenda, Sonic, located at 8453 North Lindbergh. Request approval of exterior remodel to existing building and amendment to B-5 Ordinance No. 6598. Zoned B-5.
Justin Blackwell appeared before the Commission and presented a letter from Sonic asking that he be allowed to appear on their behalf.
John Morgan reviewed and letter and advised the Commission that it was okay to proceed.
Jim Ross asked the Petitioner for a clarification on which drawings were correct? Mr. Blackwell stated that the drawings presented tonight represented the revised plans that consist of an extended parapet wall, new facia and modification of the flat canopies to a barrel canopy with LED lighting and POP signs. There will be no interior or site work.
Jim Ross asked the Petitioner if he had reviewed Staff's Recommendations? Mr. Blackwell stated that he had not.
Mr. Ross asked for the projection of the new canopy? Mr. Blackwell stated the projection is 20 feet, 6 inches from the face of the building, not counting the vestibule. Mr. Ross asked the measurements represented half the distance of the existing canopy? Mr. Blackwell stated that the plans did not indicate the distance from the end of the existing canopy. Mr. Ross asked if there would be a tower on the front of the building? Mr. Blackwell stated that the tower had been excluded based on the comments received from John Morgan.
John Morgan advised the Commission that the elimination of the tower would then render the Petition as a change made to the Final Development Plan rather than the Ordinance, which means that the request can be approved by Planning and Zoning alone.
Jim Ross asked the Petitioner if the new lighting arrangement was less intense than the current arrangement? Mr. Blackwell stated that that was correct, because it consisted of LED bulbs rather than the neon that currently exists.
John Morgan stated that his original concern with the lighting resulted from the height of the tower. But without the tower you cannot see the building at all from the back of the parking lot.
Mr. Blackwell stated that any lighting associated with the tower is being removed. Mr. Blackwell provided the Commission with a photograph of a similar updated location.
John Morgan stated that basically the request is for taking the front canopy down and replacing it with an arched canopy about half the distance from the building as the original canopy.
Daniel Call advised the Petitioner that he was unable to detect the revisions on the drawings? Mr. Blackwell referred Commissioner Call to Sheet SD-1.
John Morgan stated that he had had the same concerns and that it had taken him awhile to understand it. Mr. Morgan directed Mr. Call to the third detail of Sheet A-2 and provided a brief explanation of the plan.
Daniel Call asked the Petitioner what the dash lines depicted on Sheet SD-1 represented? Mr. Blackwell stated that they represented the existing canopy to be removed. Mr. Call asked if the same was true for the dashes in Block 2? Mr. Blackwell stated that that was correct and that the heavier line represented the new facia and canopy, which is also stated in the key notes. Mr. Call asked if there was a plan view of the canopy? Mr. Blackwell stated that there was an isolated plan of the canopy on Sheets CS(1) through CS(2), which is delineated within the notes.
Mr. Call asked where the new canopy would be located? Mr. Blackwell stated that the only new canopy would located in the center of the patio area against the face of the building. Mr. Call asked if this would be a canvas canopy? Mr. Blackwell stated that it would be vinyl. Mr. Call asked if the existing canopy was made of the same material? Mr. Blackwell stated that it was not. Mr. Call asked how the vinyl canopies endured the weather? Mr. Blackwell stated that while it has been used in the past, he did not have the stats on its durability.
John Morgan informed Mr. Call that all the information he has seen so far on this type of material indicates ten years.
Daniel Call asked the Petitioner if any digging would be required for the foundation? Mr. Blackwell stated that three footings would have to be installed? Mr. Call asked if the digging would interrupt service? Mr. Blackwell stated that the contractors install it during the least busy times of the day and complete the project within a day or two.
Mr. Call asked if the canopy and columns would both be green? Mr. Blackwell stated that they would be.
Jim Ross asked the Petitioner if the photograph submitted to the Commission represented the proposed lighting? Mr. Blackwell stated that it did.
Jane Boyle stated that her concern is that there appears to be so much light that it causes her to wonder what kind of distraction it would create for the traffic on Lindbergh? Mr. Blackwell stated that because of the contrast the new lights will not be as bright at the picture depicts.
Daniel Call advised Commissioner Boyle that Sonic runs perpendicular to Lindbergh, meaning that all you will see is the front and one side of the building. He added that the building is set back far enough that with the current lighting there is no distractions.
Dick Weller asked the Petitioner for the brilliance of the LED lights? Mr. Blackwell stated that he did not have the exact numbers, although they are dimmer than the existing neon lights.
Jim Ross advised Commissioner Weller that Drawing A(3) contained information regarding the lighting.
Dick Weller asked the Petitioner if the bullnose was located underneath the edge of the canopy? Mr. Blackwell stated that they were. Mr. Weller asked if there had ever been any problems with snow loads on the canopy? Mr. Blackwell stated that the barrel canopy would overlap the existing canopy so that if there is any fall-off it would land on the flat canopy.
John Morgan advised the Petitioner that when applying for the Building Permit the snow drift onto an adjacent structure would have to be calculated.
Jim Ross asked if there were any further questions or comments to the Petitioner? Being no further questions or comments, Jim Ross made a motion to approve the exterior remodel to the existing building for the property located at 8453 North Lindbergh; Sonic per the plans submitted this evening by Harris and French. Seconded by Daniel Call. On roll call the Commission voted: Ross yes, Weller yes, Call yes and Boyle yes. Motion carried.MISCELLANEOUS BUSINESS:
Item 7 Meeting Location
John Morgan announced that after the March 3rd Commission meeting the City will begin asbestos abatement of this room which will result in the Commission meeting to be held at another location, yet to be determined.
Jim Ross asked if there were any further questions or comments? Being no further questions or comments, Jim Ross made a motion to adjourn the meeting. Seconded by Daniel Call. All parties concur and the meeting was adjourned at 9:05 p.m.
