JANUARY 24, 2011
LANDMARKS AND HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION
MINUTES
The Landmark and Historic District Commission (LHDC) of the City of Florissant met at the Florissant City Hall on Monday January 24, 2011 in the second floor cafeteria room at 6:30 p.m., with Howard Nimmons presiding.
INTRODUCTION AND WELCOME
ROLL CALL
On roll call the following members were present: Gary Meyer, Howard Nimmons, Kent Miller (at 6:35), Edward Keil, Curtis Gunn & Gretchen Crank. Also in attendance were Cynthia Treiber, Recording Clerk and Philip Lum, Building Commissioner of Florissant. A quorum being present, the Chair declared the Landmark and Historic District Commission (LHDC) was in session for the transaction of business.
APPROVAL OF 11/22/2010 MINUTES
Mr. Nimmons asked if there were any additions, changes or corrections to the minutes. Being none, Mr. Meyer made a motion to accept the minutes as submitted. Seconded by Mr. Gunn, all members concurred. Minutes approved as submitted.
OLD BUSINESS
NEW BUSINESS
Item 1 #1 St Ferdinand Rep. By: Bill Bray / Rob Huitt
St, Ferdinand Shrine Dig #1 St. Ferdinand
Ward 6 Florissant, MO 63031
Mr. Nimmons stated that under new business was a request for a Certificate of Appropriateness. Mr. Lum suggested a motion to continue this item was in order because the petitioner had not responded with any presentation and was not in attendance. Mr. Meyer made a motion to continue this item. Seconded by Mr. Gunn, all members concurred. Motion passed 6 to 0.
Gretchen Crank asked how long an item could be continued? Mr. Lum stated that if an item was continued for six months the request could be considered denied. Mr. Lum stated that in this case Mr. Bray from the Shrine had been attempting to meet with the Chairman and the Mayor to have a discussion regarding the request. Further discussion was held as to what had been done and what had been required with the conclusion being that the property was a Landmark property and a certificate of appropriateness was necessary.
MISCELANEOUS BUSINESS
Item 2 Review annual report to CLG coordinator.
Mr. Nimmons stated that the next order of business was the annual report. Mr. Nimmons stated that everyone had a copy of the proposed report and asked if there were any questions or changes to this report. Mr. Lum stated that the report was a draft copy and the only thing he had questions about was if anyone had completed a training course. Mr. Lum stated that one course a year was recommended for each Commission member and staff. Mr. Lum stated that in the report he had Gretchen Crank as attending the CLG meeting last year. Mrs. Crank stated that when she attended the CLG meeting she was not on the Commission and questioned if that would count.
Discussion was held as to whether her attendance would have counted with Mr. Miller stating that it should. Mr. Nimmons stated that he had been at the CLG meeting and also Joe Schulte, former Commission member had attended. Mr. Keil asked if the CLG conference was always in Jefferson City? Mr. Lum stated yes, however, there were opportunities for meetings all over the State. Discussion was held as to who attended the CLG meeting with the conclusion being to report Gretchen Crank attending prior to being a Commission member and Mr. Schulte attending as a former Commission member.
Mr. Nimmons asked if there were any other additions or corrections to the report? Mrs. Crank stated that she had some typo errors in the report. Mr. Lum requested Mrs. Crank to e-mail those errors to him in order for him to make the corrections. Mrs. Crank stated that she was not sure about the date of January 22, 2006 being the correct date when the City became a Certified Local Government and the date when the City Charter was introduced. Mrs. Crank stated that she thought the City Charter date of 1829 was more like 1857 however there was something in 1829 she just was not sure what. Mr. Lum stated that those dates were in last year’s report and he only duplicated them. Further discussion was held as to what the official dates were with the conclusion that Mr. Lum would check into the correct dates and make the corrections.
Mrs. Crank stated that the properties listed under number seven, the Historic property inventory, were not in the Historic District. Mrs. Crank asked if property was a Landmark and not in the Historic district would they be considered to be in a district of their own. Mr. Lum stated no, not unless the district was approved by the LHDC Commission. Mr. Miller stated that this subject had been discussed before regarding the Lucy Patterson property which ended up being designated a Historic district. Mrs. Crank asked how the property names were determined? M. Lum stated that the information was obtained from the ordinance unless it was modified. Mr. Nimmons stated that one of the things suggested to do was to go thru all the properties and review ownership and the designated name of the properties. Mr. Gunn stated that his house was not on the list however it was on the National Register. Mr. Lum stated that there were other properties that were on the National Register and not a Florissant Landmark. Mr. Lum stated that the properties on the report were a repeat from last years report. Mr. Nimmons asked if anyone had any more comments. Being no further comments, Mrs. Crank made a motion to approve the annual report as corrected. Seconded by Mr. Keil, all members concurred. Motion passed 6 to 0.
Item 3 Review report on grant for archaeology from Division Of Natural Resources (DNR).
Mr. Nimmons stated the next order of business was the grant from DNR. Mr. Lum stated that the meeting with Joann Radetic and the State Archaeologist had been moved to February 10, 2011. Mr. Lum stated that the suggested things the money could be used for were training & education. Mr. Lum stated that the Parks Department had purchased two display cases for the Eagan Center in which could be used to display the artifacts from the Spanish Landmark dig, however they did not have a person or method to properly display the artifacts. Mrs. Crank stated that she had talked with Joe Harl in the past and he was willing to work with the City in displaying the artifacts. Mrs. Crank stated that after reading the information received about the grant it was her understanding that any money that was spent prior to the grant being awarded would not be eligible for re-imbursement. Mrs. Crank stated that if Joe was hired and paid before the grant money was awarded then those expenses would not be eligible for re-imbursement.
Mr. Lum stated that the grant money could not also be used for any brick or mortar work. Mr. Lum stated that the meeting on February 10 was to present a scope of what the grant money would be used for and get approved. Mr. Lum stated that some of the suggestions to use the grant money was for were some type of study, training or education. Mr. Lum suggested funding for outreach education and displaying the artifacts from the Spanish Land Grant dig. Mrs. Crank asked if anyone could attend this meeting? Mr. Lum replied yes however over four members in attendance would require minutes to be taken. Mr. Lum asked if there were any other suggestions. Further discussion was held as to what the money could be used for with suggestions such as education in out reach with pamphlets to give out, training for the Commission members & staff and minor corrections to the code book. Mr. Nimmons made a motion to approve the items discussed would be the items presented by staff to the CLG coordinator on February 10, 2010. Seconded by Gary Meyer, all Commissions members concurred, motion passed 6 to 0.
Item 4 Review and Discuss Options to Encourage Re-designation of Landmark Properties.
Mr. Nimmons stated that he would like the Commission to prepare for this item in the future, possibly after the issue with the Shrine was resolved. Mr. Nimmons stated that he would be thinking of some things that could be done to encourage re-designation of Landmark properties. Mr. Nimmons stated that one of the things that could be done was have City staff identify properties that the Commission would want to designate as a Landmark, such as the Gunn home or others that are not on the listed in the report. Mr. Nimmons asked how something like that could be done; Mr. Lum stated that the staff could start with the original list. Mr. Nimmons stated that he thought the first step would be getting a list from staff of properties that the Commission could begin some type of action on. Mr. Nimmons questioned the Commission as to what kind of action they would want to take.
Mr. Nimmons stated that the Commission may like to work on a smaller scale with one to three properties at a time. Further discussion was held as to what the Commission would like to do to encourage property owners to become a Landmark with the suggestions being a list from City staff of properties that could be considered a Landmark, the Commission and working on a few properties at a time. Mr. Nimmons stated that he would like a motion to continue this item to the future. Mr. Gunn made a motion to table this item to a future meeting. Mr. Lum explained the process when an item is tabled. The motion to table this item to a future meeting failed lack of a second. Mr. Gunn a made a motion to continue this item, seconded by Mr. Miller. All members concurred. Motion passed 6 to 0.
Mrs. Crank asked if the Commission would ever consider meeting more than once a month for some type of special meeting to allow for discussions or re-training purposes. Mr. Nimmons stated that he thought it would be a good idea to schedule some type of a study meeting in the future. Mrs. Crank stated that she also would like to bring it to the Commission’s attention that packets that were going out to new owners from the City had no information regarding the Historic District. Mrs. Crank stated in the past there use to be something given out to new property owners in the Historical District with information regarding the Historic Guidelines and the Historic District. Further discussion was held as to what different brochures had went out in the past with Mr. Nimmons stating that the brochures could be one of the items to be discussed in the future.
ANNOUNCEMENTS / COMMENTS
Mr. Nimmons discussed the CLG application form that was mailed out and if any of the Commission members were going to attend this meeting it would be considered an authorized training. Mr. Lum stated that the training requirement for the Commission was one course a year. Further discussion was held regarding the time, location, who would be attending the CLG meeting. Mr. Nimmons stated that meeting was in Jefferson City from 8:00 or 9:00 am to 2:30 pm with lunch and coffee served. Mr. Lum stated that the applications would need to be turned in by tomorrow for re-imbursement. Mr. Nimmons asked if there was any further business. Being no further business Mr. Miller made a motion to adjourn, seconded by Mr. Meyer. All members concurred. Meeting was adjourned.
Respectfully submitted:
Cynthia A. Treiber,
Recording Clerk
