JUNE 2, 2008
LANDMARKS AND HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION
MINUTES
           

The Landmarks and Historic District Commission of the City of Florissant met at the Florissant City Hall on Monday June 2, 2008 in the second floor conference room at 7:00 p.m., with Howard Nimmons presiding.

On roll call the following members were present: Gary Marion McGuinn, Howard Nimmons, Kent Miller and Edward Keil. Also in attendance were Bill White, Deputy Building Commissioner, Cynthia Treiber, Recording Clerk and Tom Kroszka with 302 & 306 Rue St. Francois. A quorum being present the Chair declared the Landmarks and Historic District Commission (LHDC) was in session for the transaction of business.

NEW BUSINESS

Item 1             306 Rue St. Francois                                    Rep. By:        Tom Kroszka
                        Landmark Property                                                                        1185 Carla
                        Ward 6                                                                                   Florissant MO 63031
                                                                                                           
            Request approval to replace existing windows with white Excalibur climatech   vinyl clap alside windows.

Item one on the agenda was the request to replace the windows at 306 Rue ST. Francois. Mr. Kroszka distributed pictures of the property at 550 St. Pierre with the type of windows that he was proposing for 306 & 302 Rue St. Francois for the Commission members to review. Mr. White stated with the property being a Landmark the replacement of vinyl windows would require approval from the LHDC Commission.  Mr. Kroszka stated that they would be replacing all the windows with the same kind of windows they put in at 550 St. Pierre. Mr. Kroszka stated that the proposed windows were three over one. Mr. Kroszka stated that currently there were all kinds of windows from two panes to twelve panes of glass. Mr. McGuinn asked if they were going to try and replica the windows. Mr. Kroszka stated that no, that there were too many different style of windows and the hail storm had taken out twenty three panes of glass. Mr. Nimmons asked why they were considering the division on the top part and not the full window. Mr. Kroszka stated that they felt it would look better. Mr. McGuinn stated that the divided windows were more appropriate for the period of time the house was built. Mr. Kroszka stated that the windows would be more consistent with the style for the house and currently there were three or four different styles of windows. Mr. McGuinn stated that there were two different styles of architecture with one window being from the twenties and thirties and the other style most likely being from the late eighteen hundreds. Mr. Guinn stated that a two over two windows would be more correct for the Victorian style property such as 306 St. Francois and the three over one would be more appropriate for the late twenties or thirties style home such as 302 St. Francois. Further discussion was held regarding the different styles of windows for the different times. Mr. McGuinn stated that the two over two windows at 306 St Francois would preserve the architecture of the building and that the upper window with six over six added a lot of charm. Mr. Nimmons asked how many windows they would be replacing. Mr. Kroszka stated that there were five windows. Mr. Kiel asked if the material was vinyl with clad aluminum or vinyl with clad wood or just vinyl. Mr. Kroszka stated that it was vinyl with clad aluminum replicated in the white.

Mr. McGuinn made a motion to approve the replacement of the windows located at 306 Rue St. Francois provided that the mutton patterns were preserved even if they were false muttons. Mr. Miller seconded the motion, on roll call the commission voted as follows; McGuinn yes, Nimmons yes, Kiel yes and Miller yes. Motion passes 4 to o.

Item 2             302 Rue St. Francois                                    Rep. By:        Tom Kroszka
                        Landmark Property                                                                        1185 Carla
                        Ward 6                                                                                   Florissant MO 63031
                                                                                                           
            Request approval to replace existing windows with white Excalibur climatech   vinyl clap alside windows.

Item two on the agenda was the request to replace the window at 302 Rue ST. Francois. Mr. Kroszka stated that they needed to remove the air conditioner from the window and when they did he was sure the window would fall apart. Mr. Kroszka stated that the air conditioner had been there for about ten years and the window was rotten before that. Mr. Kroszka stated that the existing window was the only double hung window and the rest of the windows were just plate glass from a nineteen twenties grocery store. Mr. Nimmons asked if Mr. Kroszka was going for the same look window at 302 St. Francois as the windows at 550 St. Pierre. Mr. Kroszka stated yes he did want the same look with the three over one window. Mr. McGuinn stated that he thought the building was built sometime in the twenties and felt that the three over one window was appropriate for the architecture of that time.

Mr. Miller made a motion to approve the replacement of the window at 302 Rue. St. Francois as submitted with the three over one window. Seconded by Mr. Kiel, the Commission voted as follows; McGuinn yes, Nimmons yes, Kiel yes and Miller yes. Motion passes 4 to 0.

APPROVAL OF MINUTES

Mr. Nimmons asked if there were any additions or corrections to the May 12th, 2008 meeting. Mr. Kiel made a motion to approve the minutes as submitted. Seconded by. Mr. McGuinn. All Commission members concurred, motion passes 4 to 0.

 MICELANEOUS BUISNESS

Mr. Nimmons asked if there was any discussion on the 50th anniversary preservation. Mr. Nimmons stated being no discussion the commission would move on to the next order of business.

ANNOUNCEMENTS / COMMENTS

Mr. Nimmons asked if there was any further business. Mr. White asked the Commission members if they would be available for a LHDC meeting on July 16th, at 6:30 pm. Mr. White stated that the petitioner at 599 St. Denis would be requesting approval of a room addition and then on to the Planning and Zoning meeting for approval. The Commission members concurred that they would be available for a 6:30 meeting on June 16, 2008.

The Commission members requested that in the in the future preferably on Thursdays to be called and reminded of the meeting. Mr. White stated that the clerk would do that.
Being no further discussion, Mr. McGuinn made a motion to adjourn the meeting. Seconded by Mr. Miller, all commission members concurred. Meeting adjourned.

Respectfully submitted:

Cynthia Treiber,
Recording Clerk